In today’s episode we welcome Karl Vaters back to the mic to continue our conversation around his compelling book, De-Sizing the Church. Today Karl reveals what he is most optimistic about and most concerned about regarding pastors and the local churches they serve.

Four Key Takeaways

1. Reason for optimism exists regarding the current state of the church . . . especially the hunger for substance among younger generations.

2. Concern regarding polarization in society and the church, emphasizing the importance of discipleship in fostering unity and understanding.

3. The need for proactive scheduling of downtime and the recognition of rest as a necessary element of productivity.

4. Pastors who want to thrive must have a supportive village, including a strong marriage, and accountability to trusted individuals to maintain their well-being.